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 Le mot dogme dans vatican II

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MessageSujet: Le mot dogme dans vatican II   Dim 10 Juin - 17:55



Voici les occurences du mot dogme:

1) abbréviation dogm.:

http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0037/1/G1.HTM

Il s'agit de citations de documents qu'on appelle par leur nom

2) adjectif dogmatic

http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0037/AC.HTM

Même chose que pour 1 sauf en 7 cas (plus les titres de 2 constitutions) .Les voici:

-lumen gentium
Each and all these items which are set forth in this dogmatic Constitution have met with the approval of the Council Fathers.

-liturgie
This consideration is especially important for professors of dogmatic, spiritual, and pastoral theology and for those of holy scripture.

-liturgie
55. That more perfect form of participation in the Mass whereby the faithful, after the priest's communion, receive the Lord's body from the same sacrifice, is strongly commended.

The dogmatic principles which were laid down by the Council of Trent remaining intact 40, communion under both kinds may be granted when the bishops think fit, not only to clerics and religious, but also to the laity, in cases to be determined by the Apostolic see

-mission
Professors in seminaries and universities will teach young people the true state of the world and of the Church, so that the necessity of a more intense evangelization of non - Christians will become clear to them and will nurture their zeal. In teaching the dogmatic, biblical, moral, and historical branches, they should focus attention on the missionary elements therein contained, so that in this way a missionary, awareness may be formed in future priests.

-séminaires
Dogmatic theology should be so arranged that these biblical themes are proposed first of all. Next there should be opened up to the students what the Fathers of the Eastern and Western Church have contributed to the faithful transmission and development of the individual truths of revelation. The further history of dogma should also be presented, account being taken of its relation to the general history of the Church. Next, in order that they may illumine the mysteries of salvation as completely as possible, the students should learn to penetrate them more deeply with the help of speculation, under the guidance of St. Thomas

 Similarly the teaching of canon law and of Church history should take into account the mystery of the Church, according to the dogmatic constitution "De Ecclesia" promulgated

-religieux
c) All institutes should share in the life of the Church, adapting as their own and implementing in accordance with their own characteristics the Church's undertakings and aims in matters biblical, liturgical, dogmatic, pastoral, ecumenical, missionary and social.

-oecuménisme
The first divisions occurred in the East, when the dogmatic formulae of the Councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon were challenged, and later when ecclesiastical communion between the Eastern Patriarchates and the Roman See was dissolved.

3) le mot dogme apparait 2 fois:

http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0037/_H4.HTM#6J7

-oecuménisme
 Nor must we undervalue the fact that it was the ecumenical councils held in the East that defined the basic dogmas of the Christian faith, on the Trinity, on the Word of God Who took flesh of the Virgin Mary. To preserve this faith these Churches have suffered and still suffer much.

-séminaires
The further history of dogma should also be presented, account being taken of its relation to the general history of the Church. Next, in order that they may illumine the mysteries of salvation as completely as possible, the students should learn to penetrate them more deeply with the help of speculation, under the guidance of St. Thomas


On a l'impression que le texte ne parle jamais directement du dogme comme objet propre, surtout en ses aspects de vérités intemporelles. Bien sur, par exemple l'
Assomption est mentionnée et exposée explicitement mais sans le mot dogme:

http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0037/_PG.HTM#TP

Les constitutions explicitement "dogmatiques" (lumen gentium sur l'eglise et dei verbum sur révélation) n'utilisent jamais le mot dogme, qui se retrouve uniquement dans des contextes secondaires et non dogmatiques ( doc. Sur oecumenisme, séminaires), pratiquement affaiblissants ou ramollissants (histoire du dogme etc).

On dirait que vatican II laisse le dogme aux autres conciles; on voit donc les conséquences si ces autres conciles sont oubliés par une référence constante ou exclusive à vatican II.

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Par contraste le caté est beaucoup plus explicite et précis car il fait synthèse de tous les conciles:

http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0015/2/Z9.HTM

http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0015/2/9U.HTM



Pas besoin de dessin pour voir pourquoi le fanatisme conciliaire a résisté aux catés de 92 et 05, avant, pendant et après promulgation...
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